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Episode 80 – Diallo is back and all is merry

Posted on: December 7th, 2015 by jayhawktalk No Comments

The guys get back together after a brief hiatus to talk a little Diallo, Mailman dunks, Racks on Racks, Brannen’s outbursts, Maui, Homeland, and more. There’s  also talk of the rotation, three pointers, KenPom and Wikipedia rabbit holes. We might have done a little dance party about Diallo being cleared, too. And…there is also a brief little talk about football. It had to be done.

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Perry Ellis and the NBA and Kesha

Posted on: April 10th, 2015 by jayhawktalk No Comments

A coach once told me, “If you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse.” It makes sense, I suppose. Rarely does one’s basketball value simply stay at a perfect constant and, well, “practice makes perfect,” or whatever. But in economics, we learn about the principle of diminishing returns — adding more of one factor of production, while holding all others constant, will at some point yield lower returns. Age, for instance, creates such a diminishing return in basketball. Otherwise, MJ and Kobe would play until their deaths. Last, Kesha famously told us, “We R Who We R” [sic]. It’s close to Exodus 3:14 (I am who I am), but more fresh because it’s Kesha.

What does the coach, professor, and Kesha have to do with Perry Ellis’ value as a professional basketball prospect, you ask?

They all tell us he needs to declare for the NBA draft right now. Following his junior year.  And if I were him, I’d do it too.

Let’s take a look at the current state of the NBA draft.

There’s an adage that the NBA only drafts on “potential” these days. Crusty old KU fans in their bath robes reading the daily newspaper about Kelly Oubre going pro after his freshman season — when he only averaged 9 PPG — just doesn’t add up. Alas, he’s still a projected lottery pick. And it comes down to potential, right?

A look at how NBA teams approach a draft should include a review of risk tolerance. After all, teams generally get one shot (per round) at adding a new piece to the team. With the rookie wage scale in effect (contracts are more or less predetermined by draft slot), teams with a higher risk tolerance should take the “riskier” player because the contract will not impact the team’s bottom line. The contracts are short and team options do not need to be picked up if the pick doesn’t work out.

In other words, there’s little to no risk involved in taking a “risky” player, especially in the last half of the draft.

[I should stop and note that obviously GMs have lost their jobs over bad drafts. There's certainly risk associated with choosing the wrong guy in the first 10 picks. But for our purposes, we're not looking at the top 10 picks. Even the top 20 picks. We're looking at the bottom of the first round and into the second round (where contracts are not guaranteed at all)].

But what defines a risky player over a safe one? Is it age, intangibles, off-the-court issues, or measurables? It can be all of those things, but risk, at least to me, involves exposing yourself to the unknown. If you watch a player for three years in college do largely the same things, you have a pretty good idea of that player’s risk (and upside). On the other hand, if you watch a player for one year in college struggle at times, but show glimpses of all-world talent, that risk (and upside) is higher and more attractive for a later pick.

The unknown is intriguing. And it’s tempting. The known is boring.

Sure, some teams have lower risk tolerance, but they are rare. Teams that are already “built” may be looking for a program-type guy, a solid if unspectacular bench player, a reliable option that won’t rock the boat. Those teams are not very common, though. So we can expect that most teams are looking for upside, especially throughout the last half of the draft. The unknown is intriguing, after all.

Let’s bring this back to Perry Ellis.

Coach tells us if you’re not getting better you’re getting worse. I personally believe most scouts think Perry’s value to the NBA is already known. If he leaves now, he’ll likely be a second round pick. If he returns and plays at an all Big-12 level again (which is more or less a guarantee), he’ll still likely be a second round pick next year. As a result, his value is probably not getting better.

Kesha would say that he is who he is.

If Perry’s NBA draft value is not getting better, does that mean it’s getting worse? Maybe not in terms of draft slot – but in time value of money, one additional year as a professional, and one more year of learning and harnessing his craft in a way that will give him a lasting role in the pro ball and not as a college power forward? Yes. It will be getting worse.

As a result, Perry has hit a point of diminishing returns when it comes to his professional basketball value. Putting in more time and energy in college basketball will likely return less in the long run. Declaring for the NBA draft makes sense, even if it doesn’t work out in the NBA and he ends up playing professionally overseas for the next decade.

Just looking at the past two drafts, in 2013, 3 seniors were taken in the 1st round and 15 in the 2nd round. In 2014, 5 seniors were selected in the 1st round, and 12 in the second round. Even though it’s probably not fair, unless a senior is a late bloomer, he is most likely to be taken in the 2nd round. There are obviously tons of reasons for this, but one is certainly that the player’s value (and upside) is mostly known.

Perry may want a degree. He may want to chase a 4th Big 12 title ring and he may want to make a run in the NCAA tournament. He may want to go down as one of KU’s all time leading scorers. Hell, maybe he just loves college and doesn’t want to be a grownup yet. If any of those things are true, he’ll be back and it will make sense because that’s his personal motivation.

But if his motivation is a career in professional basketball, as a vast majority of high major basketball players generally is, he’ll be wise to look at the NBA draft this year and forgo his senior year at Kansas. After all, the clock has already started on his professional basketball career.

TiK ToK, if you will.

 

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Episode 75 – NCAA Tournament Preview

Posted on: March 16th, 2015 by jayhawktalk No Comments

The NCAA Tournament is finally here. The guys get together to react to the Committee’s placement of KU as the #2 seed in the Midwest Region and the insane path that KU will have to take to get to that matchup with Kentucky in the Elite 8. There’s also a short recap of the Big 12 Tourney, a chat with New Mexico State reporter, Mark Rudi, and a look at KU’s pod — including that potential matchup with the Shockers.

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Episode 73 – Roller Coaster Big 12 Finish

Posted on: March 2nd, 2015 by jayhawktalk No Comments

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After a roller coaster week in the Big 12, the Jayhawks still remain in prime position to take home their 11th straight Big 12 Title. The guys get together to discuss the week’s happenings, talk a little Cliff Alexander and the NCAA, and look forward to the last week of the Big 12 regular season. Come on in, grab a beer, and enjoy a little Jayhawk Talk Podcast, MARCH edition!

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Episode 71 – Big 12 Championship Math and CBS Sports’ Matt Norlander

Posted on: February 15th, 2015 by jayhawktalk No Comments

The guys get together to talk about the games this past week, talk a little Big 12 Championship Math, and are joined for a good part of the show by CBS Sports’ Matt Norlander. You know Matt from his work on the CBS Eye on College Basketball Podcast as well as his work on cbssports.com. We talk Bill Self, what KU needs to do to get on the #1 seed line, and how this Bill Self team is winning in a different way from past Bill Self teams. We also talk Love Fool, old dudes in AFH, and Bob Hamilton’s Plumbing commercials.

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Episode 66 – I’m Frank Mason

Posted on: January 12th, 2015 by jayhawktalk No Comments

NSFW this time, but don’t blame us. Blame awesome KU rap songs that we can’t get enough of. In this episode, the guys talk Baylor/Tech and preview OSU/ISU. They also talk RedHead’s “Frank Mason” because it’s the best song we’ve heard in at least a week. There’s also talk on Carlton Bragg, Devonte’ returning, Christian scoring, and Beaty filling out a staff.

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Episode 65 – Big 12 Play Begins

Posted on: January 5th, 2015 by jayhawktalk No Comments

The guys are back for the first podcast episode of 2015. Bringing in the new year, they talk the KU news of the week, Big 12 Preview, recap a few previous games, and preview the Baylor game. They also talk about Kobe, KU Christmas presents, and the good old #kudunkreport.

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Episode 63 – Overreactions, ORLANDO, and some Svi Love

Posted on: November 26th, 2014 by jayhawktalk No Comments

Come on in and have a listen to the best above average KU podcast on the entire internet. The guys talk a little UK overreactions, some Rider real reactions, preview the Orlando Classic, and play angel and devil regarding Clint Bowen as the next head coach. They also spend ample time talking about a #PerryDunk and their #SviManCrush.

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Episode 61 – KU Basketball Preview

Posted on: November 5th, 2014 by jayhawktalk No Comments

The fellas are back and are stoked to talk a little KU basketball. If you’re into that kind of thing, this podcast is for you. Topics: New faces, Lineups, Rotation, Bold Predictions, Schedule Review, Frankamp, Jayhawk Talk Preseason Awards, Power Rankings, Big 12 Preview Preview, and much more. The much more includes a few stories about interactions with Bob Chipman (Washburn), The Mayor up in Ames, Sung Woo, and Flat Tires.

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Episode 57 – KU Football Preview Preview, Embiid, Wiggins, Recruiting, Nonsense

Posted on: August 10th, 2014 by jayhawktalk No Comments

In this, the 57th episode of the Jayhawk Talk Podcast, the guys get together to talk a little JHT Fantasy Football Party, Wiggins/Embiid, KU Basketball recruiting, and a lot of nonsense. Come on in, grab a beer, and enjoy a little Jayhawk Talk Podcast.

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